In Particular read the third post on page two. 
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- Posted by marduk 1 year ago. There are 24 posts. The latest reply is from FrankRibbensky.
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I renamed, and here is the post from peter
the video that he is responding to is in marduk's link
So, in consideration of this, with respect to Jacque - I will no longer be actively publicly representing TZM or TVP.
I could address his hasty statements directly, but I am not going to do that to myself as it's simply sad.This falls on the heels of a level of personal exhaustion and general life frustration which requires personal time anyway.
I will continue to orient a radio show rotation of new speakers, content and help with event days and the many other project based issues in the background... I will also continue to personally finance the global movement's work...but I want everyone to know that I am removing myself as a forefront spokesman... a figure I never wanted to be, in fact. A position which has neg affected my personal and mental health a great deal, to be frank.
So, this is good grounds to see how many out there can lift themselves to high levels of communication. I have also informed TVP that all major press will be turned over to them so they can make sure "their" message is "accurate"... as apparently mine isn't.
At the end of the day, let it be known that I don't care about TZM or TVP or "Jacque Fresco" or "Peter Joseph" as entities to be perpetuated.
I care about a new, working social system only and I will not stop with that pursuit in the long run.
~peter -
Hiccups & potholes.
I guess the writing was on the wall that Peter was being worn down by his efforts, he stressed this many times, so it was only a matter of time. Peters lectures have enlightened many people to TZM & TVP, and many members have been gathered from his movie efforts.
Efforts that will not be forgotten.
My hope is that Peter and Jacque resolve their differences and become more focused on the main theme, that is a transition to a RBE.
To all that have devoted their time and effort the movement and TVP I say thanks for giving me a reason to be an active part of the changes we all need.
A world without poverty, greed and war, is possible and there will be challenges. For me the ideas of this movement has its roots in the 60s peace movement and many challenges have been faced already, a lot has been learned, mistakes have been made.
Nothing was ever made without mistakes. Nature is great example, constantly changing to adapt to its environment.
earth care, people care and fair share. -
Storm in a tea cup?
In my view, PJ may have quit the frontline but he has not quit the movement perse. For PJ a change was inevitable. This is no more than an adjustment. Jacque has voiced his opinion and Peter has responded to Jacques statement in a way that repects Jacques words, and relieves Peter from some of the stress of his position.
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This is one of the problems, In my opinion If all the TZM members, supposed 400,000 all donate 10 dollars, we could buy enough land and build a city, but nothing like this is done.
TZM needs to pull its socks up and do what it preaches,
At any rate this will be good a test, to see if we can grow another head, Or if the body die's.
-Peace -
I agree with dowel, the writing was on the wall and i saw this comming right after moving forward was released,
Phem is correct here though this will be one hell of a test, the movement will either peeter out or simply get stronger and PJ may even take on the "leader" role again, -
Thats the dilema of a leaderless society, we are so conditioned to leadership that we rely on others to give us direction, PJ wants his life back, has no percieved ambition to be a leader, wants see others take the reins, and Jacque is of the same ink saying if some one builds a statue of him he will feel that he has failed. The leaders of TZM are the members. If you dont make yourself into a target there is little risk of getting hit. Not to many willing to jump into Julian Assage's shoes, atm. Saftey in numbers. Being a leaderless society could well be a tactical advantage.
Begs the question, "How does a leaderless society get organised?". Answer: We seem to be doing just that.
Food for thought.
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As Phem said $10 each would give the project quite a boost but what if the membership fee was $100? Can this be done without corruption of the integrity of TZM?
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What if all the members paid a nominated fee and conditionaly donated it to TVP?, while Jacque is still able to participate and see some real progress in TVP? at the same time pass on vital details of that plan so that others can carry it on.
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TZM & TVP Meeting April 19th
http://soundcloud.com/georgepacheco/tzm-tvp-meeting-april-19th
Page 2 post 4Money Money Money.
I can't trust myself to write here what I think of this idiocy. Suffice to say I'm very disappointed with Jacque and Roxanne
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