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  • Posted by Dylan 1 year ago. There are 2 posts. The latest reply is from Phem.
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    went down for the viewing of zeitgeist 3 yesterday and the film was great, but the one thing that is disheartening is the methods in which the hosts and mc use to host and ask questions, i had a talk to the ladies that came to watch the movie and they did find it informative having watched the other 2 films, but what they said after i have to agree with in that, we were invited to ask questions after the show but everyone seems to just walk out and leave, some questions were asked but everyone is given a sense that we cant ask questions cause its a hassle to answer or the same question is getting asked all the time, i don't think that frustration with viewers and there understanding of events is productive in what is to be achieved, as i was told when i tried to ask advice on interaction and questions people have and how i would answer them is that i'm not,- "slamming the information in hard enough" i have learnt over the years of dealing with apprentices and children that that sort of method of "take it and believe it " just doesn't work (especially when this that is the blind faith methods that Christians use). everyone is coming at this from different ways of life and upbringings and many people are experiencing this for the first time and it can take thought and conversation to provoke people even wanting to think about this subject after they leave the theatre, i was informed by the MC yesterday that the movies are simple and anyone that cant understand them can just "Get out and not come back and deserve to suffer the riots" this sort of logic will (and as the older ladies that watched the movie yesterday explained) close off peoples minds to this as this sort of attitude does make it seem to someone fresh into this subject that we are a bunch of unwashed conspiracy theorists. i think more discussions and patience is required in order to educate people in the questions that they have, letting out a huge sigh and saying that "its just the way it is" isn't productive in putting the message across, or in giving anyone any sort of faith that we can band together and be united to help solve the problem. As I'm sure you can appreciate different people have different perspectives and ways of thought and living when coming into this and as well have different degrees of education on the subject, and alot information like this can be hard to comprehend when people are so in tune to one way of living and thinking. its one thing to try to interact with people to help bring about change to make a difference, to educate, have tollerance and understanding and another to say well the system will collapse in two years don't come and tell me i was right when it does (especially when no time frame is mentioned in the production). this came across to me my partner and others at the matinee that the people hosting dont have time for people to question and not understand and getting in a heated debate (or argument) with someone asking a question infront of other audience members will only dishearten others at the screening to not ask questions, and to think this is another redneck hostile organisation telling people what to believe. I have been reading, observing and watching this sort of logic on the way the world is for years and when you immerse yourself in it it does make sense - totally, but to come at it from a different angle it is alot to swallow for some people, i think it would be productive to try to get on the same page with everyone on how to interact with audience members, as i have spoken to friends/family in NSW, ACT that have seen this film and were met by individuals who strive to educate and provide information in a non judgmental way, because at the end of the day Christian logic will not work with this, people wont except this on blind faith, it is this logic that has got them seeking out these answers in the first place, self realisation is the way people take this on board using there own understanding and logic, most people just need guidance and support - not just given a website.

    In no way am i trying to put this movement down or criticise unconstructivley, i have copied about 1000 of each of the first 2 movies and will be handing the out in Cairns, New Zealand, Asia and Africa on my travells over the next 2 months, and upon my return will do all i can to help and finance any ideas or methods to help educate people. i would be glad to help at any future screenings if required as well as answer any questions that people have. I just hope everyone gets on the same page and can understand the message the Peter Joseph is trying to put across that divided we are weak, and shunning or making people feel small because of their level of understanding has a backwards effect on what is trying to be accomplished.

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    No you are right to criticize,
    Make people accountable for what they are doing,
    Even if they are in TZM/VP, They are not above any one or any thing like that.

    Understanding:
    I am sorry that your question's might not have been answered,
    But you have to think about it like this, A lot of the people are not trained teachers.
    They don't have the experience of being asked the same question by people so often.

    Now I am not trying to excuse them, but I will openly answer any question's you have to the best of my abilities,

    One of the main thing's is there is so much that needs to be answered,
    and I believe this is the forum that should be the place to look first, for major topic's, And the answer's they seek.

    Request:
    I just have a couple of request's from you though..
    Can you please section out your statement's because it is a little discouraging to read such a large block of text xD.

    The Zeitgeist Movement:
    The people putting up the movie for other's are trying, and you will have to excuse them a little, For it is a lot of work that goes into thing's like this.

    Opinion:
    I some what agree with: If you don't get it, F-off and think about it more.

    It may seem harsh, or some thing, but the bottom line, If we just give all the answer's it is no different from what happens now,

    People can just be told what to do, and do it, and that is servitude.
    We don't want to convince you of this, we want you, to realize it for your self,
    and when/if they do that, They will be in it for the long haul,
    Not just in it because they were given every thing and it was easy,
    Because when it does not go our way, or when things are not constantly moving
    They will become disheartened leave, or contribute less,
    because the answer's ran out.
    Then it comes back to: time to really think of new/improved old way's.
    And we become back to square one again.

    Summation:
    What they do is kinda hard,
    They should practice answering the same question's
    Prepare new content,
    And always leave a session on a positive note.
    Also I am Jealous that I don't have the resources at the moment to go see it at a cinema xD.
    or some where

    -Peace

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