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  • Posted by t0n3s 2 years ago. There are 11 posts. The latest reply is from Benoit.

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    the following is a list of the media I have seen over the past few months which has fueled my desire to see the US govt, IMF and Global bank over thrown. If only I knew how.

    Honestly with all this information I wonder how the Bush family & Co. still manages to steal oxygen in the land of the gun...

    Zeitgeist - The Movie
    Zeitgeist - Addendum
    Zeitgeist - Where are we now
    Zeitgeist - The Movement Guide

    Future By Design

    Fahrenheit 9-11

    In Plane Site - Directors Cut

    Beyond Treason

    Denial Stops Here

    Collapse

    - Main Stream media.

    Jacobs Ladder
    Charlie Wilson's War

    Can we sticky this puppy so new comers may be afforded the chance to "catch up".

    Please add to this list I kow there is much more out there I am still seeking and downloading as I find them and I have my own copies of all of the above and know where you can get it from.

    cheers, to the next generation of mankind, to a life without slavery and to a reality once only dreamed.

    Let's do this
  2. admin

    http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/wiki/index.php?title=Documentaries

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    Ummm, don't you think you should watch more than movies and survey more than the 'mainstream' media before your desire is 'fuelled' to overthrow a government?

    Don't you also think that you ought take the implications of overthrowing a government into account? Overthrowing a government usually just leads to another one being elected.

  4. craftymethod

    http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2010/01/100-best-free-science-documentaries-online/

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    "Brenton" Ummm, don't you think you should watch more than movies and survey more than the 'mainstream' media before your desire is 'fuelled' to overthrow a government?

    Don't you also think that you ought take the implications of overthrowing a government into account? Overthrowing a government usually just leads to another one being elected.

    So what you are saying is that you have seen all the info above and are still not convinced there is something desperately wrong with the US Govt. The Global Bank and the IMF ??? Are you serious? What more do you need??? Or are they nothing but false propaganda and conspiracy 'theories' to you??

    Do you believe the sinking of the Lusitania was not orchestrated? The US didn't know the Japanese were about to attack Pearl Harbour? That JFK was shot with a 22 caliber rifle from up and behind him? Do you believe the US involvement in the Vietnam war was justified? That hijackers with box cutters flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? What about the famed building 7 ? Do you realise that Saddam Husein had biological weapons because he bought them from the US and its allies/friends? What do you know???

    And what would you suggest be done? Nothing?

    This is why I don't pop in as often anymore, replies like this. If I were an admin I would just delete your post altogether.

    I am 40 years old, I have watched this shit unfold before my very eyes most of my life, had my grandfather replay tales from WWII, watched endless documentaries about all of the above and developed a really good ability to read between the lines and identify shit from clay.

    ty to admin and crafty, that's a lot of media, maybe Brenton should watch a few, he might learn something. But will he allow himself to believe it or not is another question.

    I don't think you really understand what TZM is all about at all.

  6. maling

    So what you are saying is that you have seen all the info above and are still not convinced there is something desperately wrong with the US Govt. The Global Bank and the IMF ??? Are you serious? What more do you need??? Or are they nothing but false propaganda and conspiracy 'theories' to you??

    Do you believe the sinking of the Lusitania was not orchestrated? The US didn't know the Japanese were about to attack Pearl Harbour? That JFK was shot with a 22 caliber rifle from up and behind him? Do you believe the US involvement in the Vietnam war was justified? That hijackers with box cutters flew planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? What about the famed building 7 ? Do you realise that Saddam Husein had biological weapons because he bought them from the US and its allies/friends? What do you know???


    I don't see where he said that.

    I agree with Brenton that things aren't as simple as "overthrow existing government, problem solved." You don't stop conflict with conflict.

    Things need to be thought through thoroughly. How will people react? How will current establishments react? What example does it set? Will it solve the problems at hand? What would be John Doe's perspective?

    This is why I don't pop in as often anymore, replies like this.

    "Replies like this" meaning replies which don't conform with your opinion?

    If I were an admin I would just delete your post altogether.

    Well, it's a good thing you're not - this wouldn't be much of a discussion board then, would it?

    I don't think you really understand what TZM is all about at all.

    Alright then - in you view, ton3s, what's TZM about and how does Brenton's post suggest that he doesn't understand it at all?

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    No govt. mate. that's what it means to me amongst other things and that is what the VP is about too. Not just No govt, when I say I'd like to over throw the existing one I don't mean replace it with another, chances are it would be the same or similar as it would still be run by a corrupt monetary system.

    ALL current establishments are corrupt, that why I say he and you too don't fully understand what it's is all about. ALL current social ideas are based on a lie and a fraudulent corrupt system. The message is we need a new one, not a replacement that would emulate the existing one. Dont you get it ????

    That's why I appear to rant because you lot just don't seem to understand what they are trying to say mate. You seem to think they are just about fixing what we have now. WRONG. They are about throwing away what we have now COMPLETELY and breeding it out of us, just as it was bred into us.

    NO MONEY NO GOVERNMENT etc etc = The Zeitgeist Movement and The Venus Project.

    Radical change.

    Not fix it up and she'll be right cobber. THROW IT AWAY AND START ALL OVER.

    The sooner you understand that this is what is needed, we can move onto the next issue, until then we will do nothing but go back and forwards just like we are now mate.

    Now see if you can tell me what the next issue is all on your own...???

    ps. I would delete his post because of exactly this, my thread is now completely hijacked...

  8. bividium

    It's difficult for a movement trying to gather momentum on a global scale to come out and say in such a blunt manner as t0n3s has said in regards to abolishing current government. It may be portrayed by the majority that the ZM is completely anti-government therefore anarchists, and with that comes a whole new tide of negative connotations.

    I think TZM and TVP is more complex that just abolishing our current political system and monetary system. Rome wasn't built in a day. It has to come down at first to a personal change, in the way we live and the way we think. Closing down banks and governments won't fix the world right now.

    Radical change is needed yes. But one must be more wise at what card to play first, because if one wrong step is taken, this house of dreams could come tumbling down. Ranting about it is sweet and all, but get a blog, this forum, which is what many strangers will stumble upon in their research of TZM should show topics of interest discussed in a more intellectual and mature manner I suppose. Brings more weight with our word.

    From possibility to actuality
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    Agreed.

    That is why in one of my very first posts here I said I am not front person material. I can see bullshit a mile off but I lack tact my delivery of the knowledge. I cant help but blurt out the truth. It has plagued me all my life. I like the truth, the truth hurts and cuts to the bone, the very core of what was believed as substance is crushed instantly.

    I know exactly what TZM and TVP is all about, and I want it so bad, I see it as the only way for mankind as a whole to evolve and become one with the planet that spawned us but unlike others I have no ability to butter it up. I see wrong all over the world and I want it to stop and stop NOW. Alas...

    I feel as helpless as the thousands, millions before me have done. I feel powerless. I get angry and transverse the full spectrum of the phase in a few moments. I find it hard to deal with ignorance, hard to maintain composure when confronted with blind obedience to false prophets and lies to maintain the status-quoe (cant spell that atm). The very word 'society', as we know it, makes me cringe. It's a bad joke.

    maybe I should have my own section of the forums for radical thoughts. Or maybe the rest of you need to step up to the plate and take on the responsibility of the task at hand and not leave it all up to people like me to spark you into action. While running the risk of being labeled an anarchist, anti-social and anti-establishment.

    You remark to aspire to me, that a more clandestine approach is needed. I hang my head and say yes indeed, it would again appear the truth of the matter out weighs what would be 'socially acceptable behaviour'. Out weighs what one single muppet can handle in a paragraph.

    It is not that people will be scared by my words, I am just repeating what I have learnt, they are not my words at all. What scares them is the idea of losing what they possess, what they believe, what they think they know. Everything I say will seem radical at first but as it sinks in the truth rises above the stink of reality and as far as I am concerned the sooner the better.

    The point I was going for above with maling, regarding the next phase is the simplest and yet hardest question of ALL.

    HOW DO WE GET TO THIS WONDERFUL PLACE WE DREAM OF?

    Your point is to curb my vulgarity and say "how to get there peacefully"

    The point is the same, our goals are the same.

    I don't see "the man" giving up his castle as willingly as you do. In fact I see any attempt to dislodge him from his paradise above the masses will be confronted with ridicule.

    Labels do not scare me, but I hear you. I will conform to your passive aggressive stance. I don't want to scare people off but at the same time the depth of the matter must be understood and comprehended. The changes proposed are radical which is exactly what is needed. Otherwise we and our children and our grandchildren are all doomed to the same fate our grandparents were. NO THANK YOU.

    let us focus here >>>>> HOW DO WE GET THERE FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW?

    ??

  10. maling

    t0n3s wrote:
    No govt. mate.

    Of course, but nowhere in Brenton's post - or my own, or "us lot" as you put it - does it suggest that we're supportive of having a government in today's sense. I don't want to put words in Brenton's mouth, I just want to point out to you, t0n3s, that you're putting words in his (and mine).

    bvidium wrote:
    It's difficult for a movement trying to gather momentum on a global scale to come out and say in such a blunt manner as t0n3s has said in regards to abolishing current government. It may be portrayed by the majority that the ZM is completely anti-government therefore anarchists, and with that comes a whole new tide of negative connotations.

    I think TZM and TVP is more complex that just abolishing our current political system and monetary system. Rome wasn't built in a day. It has to come down at first to a personal change, in the way we live and the way we think. Closing down banks and governments won't fix the world right now.

    Radical change is needed yes. But one must be more wise at what card to play first, because if one wrong step is taken, this house of dreams could come tumbling down. Ranting about it is sweet and all, but get a blog, this forum, which is what many strangers will stumble upon in their research of TZM should show topics of interest discussed in a more intellectual and mature manner I suppose. Brings more weight with our word.


    Which is exactly the point that I was making (and I believe Brenton was too), but then:
    t0n3s wrote:
    Agreed.

    Hmmm.
    The point I was going for above with maling, regarding the next phase is the simplest and yet hardest question of ALL.

    HOW DO WE GET TO THIS WONDERFUL PLACE WE DREAM OF?

    Your point is to curb my vulgarity and say "how to get there peacefully"


    In my opinion, peacefulness has nothing to do with 'getting there' - what's more important is practicality. Peacefulness just happens to be practical, in the current situation

    t0n3s wrote:
    I lack tact my delivery of the knowledge. I cant help but blurt out the truth.

    I find it hard to deal with ignorance

    maybe the rest of you need to step up to the plate and take on the responsibility of the task at hand and not leave it all up to people like me to spark you into action.

    It is not that people will be scared by my words, I am just repeating what I have learnt, they are not my words at all. What scares them is the idea of losing what they possess, what they believe, what they think they know. Everything I say will seem radical at first but as it sinks in the truth rises above the stink of reality and as far as I am concerned the sooner the better.


    OK, and how many peoples' opinions do you think yours is worth?

    To quote Bill Hicks, a comedian who died in 1994 and who is quoted often throughout Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum:

    "I just think it's interesting to see how people act on their beliefs, you know what I mean? 'Cause your beliefs, they're just that, they're nothin', there's how you were taught, and raised. That doesn't make 'em real. That's why I always recommend a psychedelic experience, 'cause it does make you realize that everything you learned is in fact just learned, and not necessarily true."

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