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  • Posted by saimon 2 years ago. There are 16 posts. The latest reply is from wildwabbit.
  1. saimon

    Be aware of current power structures; global resources are coming under ever greater centralized control as advocated by the Technocracy movement of last century, a model that has been adopted and is now being implemented. I called the Roth Show online in the USA last week to tell Patrick Wood (www.augustreview.com - global elite research center) about the similarities and differences between current social practices and those advocated by the Zeitgeist movement.

    http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour2Feb1710.mp3

    (My call starts 30:00 minutes into the show.)

    To my surprise, the guest speaker called Queensland "the first state of the global union", having come under the purview of the Brigalow Corporation. More information on his website at http://www.freedomadvocates.org (search for Queensland)

    Spiritual love will bring us to the solution together.
  2. craftymethod

    I'm very worried about the talk about population control during the first portion of this show. This is very very dangerous... there is so much potential inside the oceans and even back here dry land.

    Although what is suggested by the Technocracy movement about the carrying capacity of the earth is sensible to a point, i'm not sure they were aware of the exponential growth of technology and any concept of genocide should be treated with absolute caution. But by default im sure they had a thought of the idea...

    Sustainability does lend to the thought of a carrying capacity but I think there are always options and better ideas over population control.

    I'm sure this earth could well support 10 times the humans alive at the moment with the development of accommodating technologies and perhaps even compromises.

    I'll keep lisitening (:

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  3. craftymethod

    The radio show also comments on:

    Agenda 21 is a programme run by the United Nations (UN) related to sustainable development. It is a comprehensive blueprint of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the UN, governments, and major groups in every area in which humans directly affect the environment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

  4. craftymethod

    Im not sure how I feel about some of this

    Has specific knowledge to a random Australian state? what was the company that he was referring to that was "owning all of qld land?"

    Referring that the coming of scientists to put forward their ideas was similar the the 3rd reich??

    These guys are seemingly well educated but they are really firing off the hip... I see that they either really know their stuff about the implementation of this agenda 21 or they have built some kind of NWO thought structure which they are sticking almost anything they talk about to fit.

    When that lady mentioned about a "virtual parliment" the guest speaker went ahead and suggested that indeed there were such online meetings but I really think it was worrying that he hadnt considered the idea that PEOPLE could be given the chance to vote on descisions and not these NWO figureheads he was keen to put in the spot light.

    Hthe guest spoke about the essence of her question being "rules made globally" and "carried out locally". How does that fit with her virtual parliment comment? im sure she was just talking about normal people in descision making. If descisions made were enforced than im not really sure I would object if the people made these descisions not corporations etc.

    How does the agenda 21 interact with the Zeitgeist ideas is what im wondering. That and the ideals of the green party.

    saimon help me out here buddy.

  5. saimon

    Hey crafty,

    The company the guest speaker was referring to (who 'owns' Queensland) is the Brigalow Corporation. If you search 'Queensland' on the speaker's website freedomadvocates.org, you'll find a seemingly well-researched paper by FLORA (Farmers Land Ownership Rights in Australia) that goes into the political and legal maneuvering in great detail. I've read it, but still don't comprehend it properly. However, the ever increasing top-down nature of decision-making and rampant privatization has me concerned... for example, the Qld constitution's preamble was recently changed by the state govt with very little public debate.

    I haven't listened to the whole show, but... Patrick Wood is very well researched (www.augustreview.com). I hear what you're saying about NWO paranoia... and I think you're right to be cautious about it.

    Having said that, I think Agenda 21 is necessarily a policy of the status quo because sustainable development is a phrase that's been coined to make continued economic growth acceptable, without changing the fundamental problems... namely a debt-based monetary system. The continually expanding money supply places ever increasing pressure on the environment for it to maintain some of it's backing value; the real wealth of the world that has been pledged as collateral. That kind of development is unsustainable, no matter how many people you get to put solar panels on their roofs.

    Technocracy goes hand-in-hand with this program of so-called sustainable development in that it marries the concept of anthropogenic global warming and the need to curb carbon emissions with the taxing or charging of every human on the planet for every bit of energy consumed that has a carbon consequence... hence the ETS and the carbon currency... that's why some are calling it a 'tax on breathing' (because we exhale CO2)... In order to do this effectively, Technocracy proposed that everyone needed to be tagged (identified) and of course there you have the digital concentration camp we see growing up around us now. Of course this gives those with all the wealth and power control over the world's resources on a global level.

    That's why I drew the comparison with a resource-based economy; to show that Technocracy is the complete opposite, or should I say the motivation is the complete opposite to Zeitgeist and TVP.

    At least that's my take on it... I don't know if the current system will collapse... problems = profit, yes, ... what if money is morphed into a carbon currency? Could profit be taken out of the equation once everyone is totally and utterly dependent on the ruling elite? I'm not sure. But I do think we need to be aware of the current system... I'm not advocating an 'us' and 'them' mentality... we can't liberate ourselves without liberating the elite... however, and I think some scenario planning and futurology would probably be helpful to us in predicting the short term future of the paradigm we are living in.

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  7. wildwabbit

    I found a lot of stuff about this a year ago, so I unfortunately won't be able to go into too much depth and it is true that no individual in Queensland owns land. All deeds/title are held by the Brigalow Corporation which is a government appointed corporation (not government owned) installed by the Beasley/Rudd government, a lot further back than peaple realise.
    In a our legal system the deed holder is the owner of land, nullifying any financial connection. All realestate transactions unaccompanied by a deed are in fact illegal (That pretty much means all transactions within the last 15 years are void by default). Anybody who has bought any property in Queensland within the last 15 years does in fact by law not own it.

    I challenge anyone to attempt to obtain the original deed to thier property. You will never see a deed for new land, but they do infact exist within the Brigalow Corporation. If you plan on buying real estate in Queensland, try to get the deed.

    Agenda 21 has been used as a veil to trade off carbon emmissions at the expense of land owners, particulary farmers. The idea is to produce physical evidence to other countries that Australia is making large contributions to offset carbon emitions so that foriegn relations and trading can be improved.

    Agenda 21 has been closely linked to the Brigalow Corporation.A frightening number of farmers have infact been thrown off thier land by the government with out them even having a say. Documents have been leaked specifically telling all high court judges to reject any attempts for compensation or appeal by these farmers."This must be done at all costs" was repeated within the documents and the documents are claimed to be written personally by Kevin Rudd. The media has been told by the government that any person making these claims was a lunatic, and should be treated as such. Banks are told to reject any finance to individual farmers that they plan to take over. The government has been doing this very rapidly and there have been several claims of what could only be described as goverment agents, using brute force to evict some farmers. It appears that the government specifically targets land that is ironically using self sustaining methods already as this is the best land for carbon offsets. The goverment has also been accused of preying on those in hardship, as they are usually the ones least likely to put up a fight, and can be written off by the media as a sore looser.

    There have been some big underhanded deals going on at the expense of land owners.

    I will try and find some links to this information, it was a while ago, so it could take me a while.

    "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it."
    Ayn Rand

  8. wildwabbit

    The link I have included below is an example of what the government is doing and also, as I mentioned in the last post. The government is turning the situation around to make the farmers out as being the bad guys. Peter Spences story is the only one that made it to mainstream media, The daily Telegraph, that was all. I am certain that this was done only by the approval of the Rudd Government and was only done to make people think Peter Spence was an extremist nut case.

    The story run buy the telegraph, left out a hell of a lot information that would have had the general public screaming if they new the facts.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/hunger-striker-peter-spencers-health-a-worry/comments-e6freuy9-1225816057583

    The Telegraph failed to release these facts.
    Peter Spence grazed a very special breed of sheep. (don't quote me but I think the wool is used in hypo-allergenic products) To produce this wool the sheep have to be grazed in a near natural habitat. Peter Spences land was in fact uncleared virgin forest. Only a very small section of land had been cleared, for a house and yards, a generation before he had even purchased the property. He had no dept,......but unwittingly applied for a small loan to extend his house. The extension would not have required any further clearing of land, and would have zero impact. The Government forced the banks to demand the load back at a rate that Peter Spence could not meet, using this to pry him from the land.
    The situation was manipulated grossly, Peter Spence was a responsible land carer, and had no intentions of damaging the land in any way.
    Peter Spence appealed to the high court 17 times (from memory, it may have been more) in twelve months, the judges would not even look at his case.
    Peter Spence did nothing more than own an asset that the government wanted. This is Agenda 21..!

    Peter Spence was manipulated and backed into a corner, he did everything by the books, within his power and rights, to prevent the land being taken off him. All avenues were cut off from him by the government.

    The only thing the government couldn't stop was him climbing a pole at the front of his property and screaming political rape to the world. But even the media was used against him.

    Peter Spence is one of hundreds of stories that you will never hear.

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    IMO you cannot beat a system, by standing out side the system.

    A Queensland Zeitgeist electorate needs to be started,
    One started in every state.

    -Peace
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    Brigalow Corp and ownership rights.

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