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  • Posted by Chris b 1 year ago. There are 29 posts. The latest reply is from Chris b.

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    Hi all,

    As quite a few people on here know i advocate what i call "RESOURCE BASED GROUPS"

    I've decided that the best way to implement this is by turning it into a business model, there are quite a number of reasons for this approach most are reasons of legality, tax implications and liability problems,insurance issues ... etc

    I've attached a PDF outlining the whole thing - bear in mind this is only the first rough version of it and needs quite a bit more,

    The way i've structured the whole thing puts all members of the group in a position where members will have access to products at an on balance cost that is vary vary small compared to if they went to the shops

    anyone who is interested read the PDF file attached

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    Sounds interesting I will give it a look soon thanks.

    -Peace
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    Ok I have given it a read, wasn't going to as long as I thought.

    From what I can see it is a good layout.
    We will need to look over things

    Check list:
    Who will be holding the money?
    What area could it be started in?
    Where would the Storage Centre be?
    Production Cost?
    Pollution in refining?
    What supply's could be traded?
    City and Rural interest?
    Who is to hold the ABN?
    Would it be a Member status or a part ownership of the orginisation?
    (say 10 people signed up for it, would it be you as the boss, and 10 people as members?
    or would all 11 people own a part of said company, and take from it all the same share?)

    What is the item worth?
    (not all items are the same, and not all people need the same items, What if I order some thing in larger bulk than joe, but we still pay the same amount, but I call on it more often?)
    I feel the reaction from governments and city cancel's could problematic with us doing this,

    Food production:
    We have a small lot with some things growing right now, Harvesting will take some time,
    Water treatment:
    We could also start catching water, purify it, and trade that too.
    Labour:
    Labour can be traded in this system as well I believe.

    Summation:
    I feel like this is a good idea, But some servey's of the local public would need to be done in order
    to see if it would be viable in the market arena.
    A ABN would need to be obtained.
    and all legal requirement's would have to be met.
    website/order forums/public notice's need to be designed, and produced.
    Very interesting to think about.
    Seems to me it could work, and we could also add in the Zshed idea, and the automated gym system's
    I have placed up here.

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    essentially it will be "my" business , i've answered the questions in bold italic below

    Check list:
    Who will be holding the money?
    just a normal business bank account

    What area could it be started in?
    initially sydney but it will expand into all the other cities

    Where would the Storage Centre be?
    specifically down near prestons or campbelltown

    Production Cost?
    thats basically what the membership fee is for aside from paying for an industrial unit or two

    Pollution in refining?
    ideally any pollution will carbon neutral if any at all, some plastics do release gasses when heated however this doesn't seem to be a problem for any other manufactures

    What supply's could be traded?
    anything in the catalog trading with other buisnesses is somthing i will probably look at as well

    City and Rural interest?
    that will be part of expanding into the food arena

    Who is to hold the ABN?
    in short me

    Would it be a Member status or a part ownership of the organisation?
    member status

    (say 10 people signed up for it, would it be you as the boss, and 10 people as members?
    or would all 11 people own a part of said company, and take from it all the same share?)
    essentially i would be the "boss" (i hate that word) and the members are customers

    What is the item worth?the is where the "theory of value" starts to play in the business favour the value is essentially irrelevant unless the item is sold into the monetary system,this business is more like a "library"]

    (not all items are the same, and not all people need the same items, What if I order some thing in larger bulk than joe, but we still pay the same amount, but I call on it more often?)
    [b]there will be limits set in the catalogue based on available stockpiled resources and demand, however there will be options available for cases where people want a high volume of a certain thing
    [i]

    I feel the reaction from governments and city cancel's could problematic with us doing this, [i]as long as everything is squeaky clean then there shouldn't be a problem, councils can't winge either since there is nothing against the law about providing people with another place to put their waste, if a problem does come up I'm sure a good solicitor would be more than happy to fight it, there is also nothing against the law about structuring a business in a way that no one else cam compete

    Food production:
    We have a small lot with some things growing right now, Harvesting will take some time,
    Water treatment:
    We could also start catching water, purify it, and trade that too.
    Labour:
    Labour can be traded in this system as well I believe.

    [b]food is the part when i get to it will be the interesting one, food in the catalogue probably won't be as most imagine it today when they goto the shops, e.g. if you order a chicken you'll get a chicken however the processing behind it will probably only be as far as cutting the off the head and feet and de feathering it, turning that chicken into chicken nuggets for example probably won't be an available option until further down the track

    labour is essentially what the business tries to eliminate via a high degree of automation, however being realistic labour is probably going to be necessary for a while however it will be a low as possible

    Summation:
    I feel like this is a good idea, But some servey's of the local public would need to be done in order
    to see if it would be viable in the market arena.
    A ABN would need to be obtained.
    and all legal requirement's would have to be met.
    website/order forums/public notice's need to be designed, and produced.
    Very interesting to think about.
    Seems to me it could work, and we could also add in the Zshed idea, and the automated gym system's
    I have placed up here. - I thought that was a brilliant idea and there is a place for stuff like that, the eventual goal is to be able to provide almost everything the average human needs that is just one of the many things that can become apart of it

    I believe in being somewhat open and honest so that part is below:
    The one question i know somone is going to ask is "are you going to draw a wage off it?" bottom line is
    yes, I most likely will, to some members of the zeitgeist movement this will probably be unacceptable, however bear in mind zeitgeist members will probably only make up a small percentage of the membership base, at the end of the day i have rent to pay and food to put on the table, and if i end up devoting every waking moment to the business then that is what I'll have to do

    thanks for the response, these questions have given me a very good idea of what i need to expand in the PDF

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    Cool I like it more, And I don't mind you turning a profit, because of what I can do with this, to grow food,
    With this design, I can get the materials, faster to build a larger scale food plantation to grow food more rapidly and start to sell a little of it.

    What will be needed would be a set line of "in house" rules and guidelines.
    So that in the future this cannot be turned into a large money churning corp with no morals.
    also a suggestion is to place in the rules and guidelines is that it can never be placed in the stock market.

    Also when you need employee's, ^^ give me a yell. ^_~
    If I can think of any thing else I could help you with I will.

    Also a question, could you build a water tank? like... In rings... and you place each ring ontop of the next, then place silicone between them to glue them in place.. Or would the water pressure be to much and make the thing explode.. if so would you be able to build water tanks in full?

    In closing I hope before you upload another PDF file you burn it to a CD and post it to your self in the mail,
    This idea can be taken and replicated and created by another person,
    This is why we need a closed TZM member section, on the forums, for safety of interlectual property that is conducted on this website.

    Unless you are willing for any one to take the idea and also produce the same product and services, that is discussed here.

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    i strongly agree about the stock market and inhouse rules,

    the "ring" water tank i'm not sure of but there is a company that produce a square water tank that is modular it's got it's own sealing system between the modules and you can stack them up to 2 metres, when i remember the name of the company or see them about i'll let you know if you google "square modular tank" you might have some luck

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    Cool I will give it a look, ^^;

    Getting into the water tank renewable energy market would be one of the strongest market's,
    But trying to avoid the Carbon emission's scam, And other ones of it's nature will be hard,

    Me personally I hate the word's Self Sustainable, now, After hearing it so often from group's who put very little effort into it, and to much outsourcing of labour

    Also I have an Idea, I might contact you with soon once I write up on it a little more.
    For a design of another RBB that can be implemented into this one.
    That should grow funding quicker.

    Also have you thought of the cleaning process involved in it?
    EG: Milk bottles, and other forgien object's?

    Also what PDF writer are you using is it a open source one?

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    the cleaning shouldn't be a problem , I'm told at they do in some of those Chinese factories is wash the flakes in hot water with some laundry powder in it some of them use a solvent, however the solvent can't go down the drain

    some of those factories actually even use the washing process as part of the separation process to remove things like labels, gasket material... with the bins that people get given what would be good is to supply a simple tool for removing the plastic hdpe ring usually left on the bottle when the cap is off that would make a massive difference to the whole process even if a small percentage actually did it

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    PDF writer wise i actually run Ubuntu and use Open office which has it built in

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    When I was in china, I lived like 10km away from a medical manufacturing facility they just dumped all the shit into the river that flowed down past the block of flats I was in,

    Fucking disgusting. As for any waist by product, depending on the level's of toxic stuff we could find a good way to dispose of it, or at least reduce the amount of it :),

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