This video actually excited me. If we're getting passionate resistance like this, we're getting two things we need; attention and testing of our ideas. If we can use the scientific method to respond rationally to these sorts of arguments then I think it will help us really develop the ideological integrity of the movement.
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- Posted by David Zwolski 2 years ago. There are 15 posts. The latest reply is from Talis.
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Reply to poison video man: so you are nauseated! Can I suggest that if you want to make yourself really sick that you get out there and have a look at how and what your esteemed market forces decide, and witness the incredible misery and pain it increasingly inflicts on millions of humans.
Karl Marx was a great thinker and philosopher who barely made any money from his efforts. I suppose that in your market-driven and monetary- reward motivated world that makes him a loser. His Communist Manifesto remains one of the most rousing and inspirational pieces of prose, and his analysis of labour, capital and market forces in Das Kapital describes what we now are going through - namely the end stage of capitalism as the result of the inherent contradictions contained within it. Jaque Fresco is a humanist and futurist with a grand vision whose work has inspired many people in their efforts to create a better world for everyone, hence the increasing popularity of ZM and TVP.
So I suggest if you are nauseated by those ideas, suck it up Mate!!! -
I think we need to evolve our response to this kind of video.
Firstly, JF wouldnt want you going and calling this guy a 'stupid head' because he doesnt understand an RBE. JF would want you to know that there is a good reason he doesnt understand RBE... specifically his environment, and the sum total of his knowledge and experiences.
In that, if we were him we would say the same thing. You think you have inherant traits that make you smarter, but JF believes any cognative superiority you have over other people is minimal and will one day become obsolete, and people are totally environment based. I personally think we have more like 1000's than hundreds of years before mastering the human mind, but thats just me.
Either way, this understanding of society is what Jacque means by being a social engineer.
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I actually stopped listening from half way because he was mainly rattling off opinions and text books, but from what I can see this guy is coming from an intelligent stand point and understands basic economics. We should all be aware that JF personally thinks that the economic system has to crash before his radical concept even has a chance, he admitted that at most lectures of the Australian tour. So is it really so ludicrous for people to dismiss the RBE model because its too hard to implement?
With this said, the reality of the situation is that based on the available information this guy had when he made the reply, he is on a completely different dimension to people who intimately understand JF's work. He is not able to think laterally about futuristic potential for energy, food supply, and other basic technological components of an RBE.
Take for example Moore's law regarding CPU improvement. Your average computer now has the processing power or every computer that existed on the planet during world war two. In 30 years time, the average computer will be I think 3000 times more powerful today, and you could probably get relative processing power of today's computer for the price of a penny because of efficiency. We are talking about radical technological change here that you cant fathom unless you think really long and hard about it. Jacque is the kind of person who has always understood and encompassed this kind of information in his philosophy.
The OP does not understand that only 1-5% of society actually do work that has productive effects, the rest of us just jobs that don't actually help sustain societies NEEDS.
He is not able to accurately identify the problems with our current system, and draw on knowledge of how bad our society was 10/100/1000 years ago, and the potential for further improvement with "SOCIAL ENGINEERING", IE war, disease, poverty and social change.
I don't blame this guy, unfortunately, this is the programmed response you will get when you talk to anybody who has done business or economics, not an uneducated person.
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one word... FUCKTARD
You could explain water is wet to this clown and he would still argue.
"One of my subscribers" talk about self inflated. Since when do youtube subscribers mean anything in the scope of things.
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Out of Context quotation, is Mans pseudopod to War. As the definition states It's a Temporary Projection.
Unfortunately that middle class worker does not understand how the perpetual inflationary markets destabilize everything the modern family works so hard to achieve. He may even be a broker.
I just mention the argument of money. Sure it will be there in some form, just NOT the form its in now.
And what form is that ? It's in the form of a federal loan , poisoned by the system of calls and puts that the Global lenders place / hedge / risk your future with. The Fed Reserve is a private lending concern against freedom of any nation to print their own money. Right now, they are charting the control of China.The present monetary system has reached critical mass , its about to implode ... the only way to stabilize (temporarily) is devaluation of major currency by mass printing to supply the inflating demand.
Before Context problems, to re-phrase : The stockmarket has been temporarily rescued , at expense of housing, both of which were spiralling out of control anyways. Even though housng is paralysed, government borrow heavily for new ( and fake )infrastructure , including emission control , military , oil, mining & utilities. All tactical positions. Hugely privatised, to ensure those controllers survive in alignment.
Suddenly strategic materials skyrocket ( some x 10 in last 12 months ) That's just SO ALARMING that governments borrow more , does anyone even think where this extra money comes from ? ( Rothschild )
And it has to be paid back with inflating interest that sends communities broke. The GREAT SELLOUT.One such sellout was widespread throughout 2007 in a bond offer designed to wipe out successful communities, which are now paying their losses with borrowed money that cannot ever be paid back in full.
That will again manifest after the next 10,000 point stockmarket crash late 2012 - early 13.
Once most communities are broken (widespread riots), there is only one solution : New World Order.SO the expression "money" or "economic system" is not cut and dry, unless you ask the billions who have suffered through needless monetary control wars , only to land in more debt thru "government rebuilding" which by design cannot be repaid, leading to the inevitable United Nations taking emergency control.
I am confident Jacque is infinitely aware of the "monetary crisis" and decides to paraphrase a term using "resource based economy" because that is easier to understand without diving deep into icy waters.
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