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- Posted by craftymethod 2 years ago. There are 16 posts. The latest reply is from goodoo.
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Did find one of the slogans for the movement is "Beyond Politics, Poverty and war"...
So the movement is attempting to sidestep politics or envision higher levels of political evolution. Both are probably the same thing.
Throughout time there have been great architects who build great buildings that often were completed after they died. Buildings that were ground breaking and seemingly out of this world.
People of the movement imagine the future and it is the hope of what they see that will direct the now. Changing current systems for the better should be the focus.
Post your thoughts.
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The political parties in Australia are nauseating. That includes the greens, who I do vote for
as Liberal and Labour are far worse, in my opinion.However politics it is the only system for change we have right now.
I know it's against the ideals of the movement, but to effect change, does Zeitgeist need it's
own political party or would that be counter productive to what is trying to be achieved? -
I very strongly believe that a ZM political party would be counter productive.
Politics is the only system for changing POLICY right now... there are many non-political movements out there right now doing amazing things without much concern for governmental or popular approval or political power - rainbow warrior, sea shepherd, medicines sans frontiers, etc. but these initiatives have great popularity and are certainly effective for changing public opinion simply by leading by example on a larger scale. It could be argued that whilst the effect of ZM is to influence the political realm, submitting to the political construct will hinder the movement without providing any benefits.
I was under the impression that the point of a resource based economy was to do away with public policy in favor of real world solutions to technical problems? I don't see how becoming a political party would help achieve that. I understand that there are some foreseeable circumstances in the future in which policy may impede certain aspects of some of our projects but I say we should be exemplifying the point of TVP's 'practical solutions before policy making' stance and finding practical solutions in these cases ourselves.
Finally before I finish my point which is clearly in danger of becoming a rant, political groups are by their inherent nature adversarial and competition based. I became a part of this movement because I'm done with an adversarial society - I choose to live in a cooperative world where we work together to solve problems which affect all of us equally and where we're all equally valued. Am I wrong? Did I join the wrong Zeitgeist Movement? We can effect change by doing exactly what ZM promotes - developing a functional resource based economy, promoting and encouraging cooperation and practical problem solving through use of the the scientific method and trying to understand and live in harmony with the earth.
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nice post OffMilkRodeo...
If Artificial Intelligence could create ideas and solutions for us and help us mash them together for the best ones, then im sure the political process could be far more streamlined.
Envision the best future and how things get to that point or near is almost irrelevant.
Politics is a mere game.
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I was watching Jaques and Roxanne on The Edge the other night, available on YouTube, it is a
2 hour interview and well worth watching. One sticking point, is the interviewer asked the
question "who is in charge in the Venus Project", and kept pushing the point because Jaques
seemed to not be able to offer a concise answer to this, I swear I think the interviewer asked
the question 5 or more times cause Jaques seemed to just be going off on a separate tangent or
line of thought. The closest he came to an answer is that the experts in each field were in
charge if the decision to be made concerned their area of expertise. Also computers would be
very influential in the decision process. However in the end the interviewer gave up his line
of questioning as he could not get a solid answer on the decision making process.That to me and a lot of people is a very important point. How will decisions be made in The
Venus Project? For example, a new bridge needs to be built and the best location for that bridge
is determined, however the residents of that area don't want a bridge built near them because they
are against an increase in traffic in their street, and say it will spoil their view. So a bridge
needs to be built, but the optimal location has local opposition for all manner of reasons, who
or what makes the decision about where that bridge is built and breaks the deadlock?This example might be very simplistic, maybe even unrealistic, because who really cares about an
increase in traffic or a spoilt view, but some people might, the point is a piece of infrastructure
needs to be built and it is being opposed, how is the decision made to go against those people and
build it their anyway, or to move 500 metres up the road?I am a fan of the Venus Project and want to see it a reality. To make it a reality though, I know
I can't look at it through rose coloured glasses, and these details need to be worked out before
others who are far more sceptical are convinced. -
You're right this is a really important issue and rather than responding straight away, i'll refer you to the international forum where if you look under Projects > Creative Team, you'll find the "Social Innovations Sub-Team" thread which is a place for people to work on exactly these sorts of problems. I'll respond if there's a topic specific to Australia but this topic is international and I think it should be on the international forums?
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Yes good point I will take a look at that.
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If anyone can find any links to relevant conversations please post here.
I believe in the future there will be much better mediation tools and dynamic decision making. Not just an "us and them" political situation.
Fair decision making with regard to compassion. possible? sure.
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I just found this on the international forums...
The Zeitgeist Movement is:
- focusing FIRST on issues affecting us ALL (research/food/water)
- a SOCIAL movement NOT an economic/political/religious one
- NOT Utopia
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